Source of Filtration

[itzrulez]

I know many of you uses only ATS...
but my algae is not growing that much...
should i have a deionizer?
what would be another way?
i want to know exactly what you guys who have succed in ATS use!

[SantaMonica]

Pics please.

Display also.

[itzrulez]

ok...
i'll provide!
let me know!
can i let running a deionizer?
should it affect PH,or something else?or it just would be good?

[SantaMonica]

You just need to get your scrubber growing properly.

[itzrulez]

but you guys use only ATS?
DO you do Parcial Water Change?
what kind of whater you refil?
what about Calcium, Magnesium?

[Rumpy Pumpy]

but you guys use only ATS?

Yes


DO you do Parcial Water Change?

No


what kind of whater you refil?

RODI for top up, no actual changes


what about Calcium, Magnesium?

Dose Seachem Magnesium & Calcium and Sodium Bicrabonate for Alc & Seachem trace elements in addition.

[itzrulez]

tnx rumpy pumpy!
what if i run a Deionizer in my tank?
with the tank water?
how to deal with cianos?
i have litlle corals,so i cant have nice circulation...

[Rumpy Pumpy]

what if i run a Deionizer in my tank?



Not sure what you mean by a deionizer

[Floyd R Turbo]

the DI in RODI stands for de-ionizer. De-ionization is the final "polishing" step after the RO (reverse osmosis) takes most of the bad stuff out of tap water. RODI water, ideally, is water and nothing else - no ions.

Running a de-ionizer on your saltwater would remove the salt and everything else, but it wouldn't last very long, because the resin would be all used up very very fast.

I think that you're asking if there is a way to remove the 'bad' stuff from the existing tank water to get control of the cyano bacteria, correct? The answer is make sure the scrubber is properly designed, constructed, and maintained and give it time. Cyano is a tough battle.

For doing PWCs, I have done only two 25% changes in over 6 months. In addition to that, I moved the entire tank from one location to another and ended up using about 60-75% of the original water. In all cases I try to use RODI water (0 ppm TDS) whenever possible, but sometimes I have to use regular RO water that I purchase and it's not as good (like maybe 20-30 ppm TDS)

Hope that answers your question

[Rumpy Pumpy]

the DI in RODI stands for de-ionizer. De-ionization is the final "polishing" step after the RO (reverse osmosis) takes most of the bad stuff out of tap water.


Yeah, I know that. I'm wondering if he means something else?

[Floyd R Turbo]

I was responding to itzrulez

[itzrulez]

hey floyd, tnx, i was thinking in put some deionizator media in tank...i'll try to do just like you did!

thats my display...and some cyano...


http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/19 ... 231138.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/19/20110531182231138.jpg)
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/71 ... 243146.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/717/20110531182243146.jpg)
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/88 ... 256623.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/88/20110531182256623.jpg)

its about 34g.
an thats the ATS, with 25W 2700k
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/81 ... 944486.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/819/20110531194944486.jpg)
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/70 ... 956770.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/706/20110531194956770.jpg)

[Ace25]

Ummm.. you have no live rock, meaning no bacteria filtering, and a very over stocked tank for not having any rock in it. That is what it causing your cyano issues in my opinion. On top of that you have no real flow to speak of.. one little powerhead isn't going to cut it in saltwater.

[itzrulez]

thats the wall http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/6342/2 ... 559981.jpg (http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/6342/20110531195559981.jpg)
i will make another tank, since this was my first... and i think everyone know how anxious u get when waiting for 1st time....hehe
so, i'll make some scratches of what i'm thinking, and you guys can tell me what to do, and what to not do?
i'm not soo good with computer modeling...i'll make in paper, and try to be the most understandable possible ;x
i'm from Brazil, and here the stores of marine tank are all too expensive, and without knowlodge...
i've always looked in other country forums, here they dont know so much about ATS,i'm helping then with what i've learned here, but i have no personal example to show them! =/
i was attending to this forum, for some months, but only in the beggining of this year i've registered, and only now, i'll show my sistem..
I'm really appreciated with everyone of algaescrubber.net! :D since i've learned with everyone here, i'll try to help too!


SO FINALLY, WHAT I REALLY WANT:
-get my scrubber working, for i improve my sistem.
-get ride of cyano, thats necessary too for improve...
-tips and more tips, they are always welcome! :D

PS: if anyone knows how to make circulation with return pump, please show me!thats what i want to do!

[Floyd R Turbo]

No, do NOT put de-ionizer in your tank!!!!!!!! De-ionizer will REMOVE THE IONS (salt) from your water and likely kill your fish! It is only for polishing your RO water so that it is ultra-pure BEFORE you add it to your tank (for topping off) or before mixing up fresh saltwater!

What Ace25 was saying is true, you have little rock in your tank, so there is little surface area for bacteria to live. You need at least 1 pound of rock per gallon of water, preferrably 2 or 3. This is how much I have in my tank, for comparison

http://i611.photobucket.com/albums/tt191/FloydRTurbo/2011%20Aquarium%20Pics/120%20Reef/Temp%20Setup/2011-05-19/IMG_0088.jpg

[SantaMonica]

Yes some rock would help, but if he is not feeding much, then the sand might be able to handle it. Good circulation would be needed to get nutrients to the sand. Maybe one cube a day. I feed one cube a day to my 10g FW and it has only a half inch of gravel.

[itzrulez]

look, i'm thinking in going to a 16g tank, and i was wondering, how i could do circulation, with the return pump!does someone have an example to show me?
PICS PLEASE!

[itzrulez]

anyone?

[Floyd R Turbo]

I guess I don't understand your question. What exactly are you trying to accomplish?

[itzrulez]

sorry...
i want a pico tank (15 gallons display), with a sump, probably 10g.
i'll have an ats,skimmer,heater,fans,etc...
but, i dont want any pump in display, only plumbing...
soo, i tought that i could do the circulation of the display, using the return pump(that pump water from sump, to principal tank)
and i want know, if someone knows someone who did this, or know if it is possible!
sry about my english =/
tnx!
pics pleaseee

[SantaMonica]

Just have the return from the sump to into the display and function as the powerhead.

[Floyd R Turbo]

This is a pretty standard type of setup. Either you have a tank that is drilled for a drain to the bottom tank and a return up to the main tank, or you use an overflow box. Google "CPR overflow" and you'll see what I mean.

[itzrulez]

sorry, its not a CPR overflow...
look, to have a nice circulation, people use vortech...
but, i was wondering, if a direct the return pump, in some directions, to make the circulation, without a vortech!
and i wanted to see some pictures, if its possible...
tnx!

[SantaMonica]

I think a regular aquarium site would have more examples of that

[itzrulez]

ok.. but i never saw or heard about something like that...nobody uses this?

[forrester_29]

It's called a return manifold. You can google it.

[itzrulez]

yes!something like that!uses the return pump, to make the circulation, without other pumps!
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/SystemPIX/Pl ... Image6.gif (http://www.wetwebmedia.com/SystemPIX/PlumbingPix/Image6.gif)

[Ace25]

One of my tanks at one point in its life... Return was a Mag7 on a 29G tank. You need a big pump if your going to make a manifold. The return comes in the left side, splits down/forward and also into a spray bar, and also comes in next to the overflow box to put flow in the back corner. Worked really well actually, but I also have 1 powerhead (Koralia2) in the tank and a HOB filter. This picture is several years old.. tank looks nothing like that now.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2334/2316907503_a17d6f75d4_z.jpg?zz=1

This is the product..
http://www.marinedepot.com/plumbing_par ... .html#tube (http://www.marinedepot.com/plumbing_parts_fittings_pentair_aquatics_customflo-ap.html#tube)

[itzrulez]

tnx man!
if you know some pico designs, please post for me! :D
i'm designs(trying) a pico ATS, and if someone know too, PLEASSEEEEE tell me, i'm all ears!

[srusso]

but you guys use only ATS?

Yes


DO you do Parcial Water Change?

No


what kind of whater you refil?

RODI for top up, no actual changes


what about Calcium, Magnesium?

Dose Seachem Magnesium & Calcium and Sodium Bicrabonate for Alc & Seachem trace elements in addition.

All the same here but I use ESV additives. I run carbon just b/c I have so much of it leftover but my algae scrubber is really the only filter.

[itzrulez]

thats really nice...
i really need to make mine work...
i'll make some adjusts!
just made some improvements, take a look!
one sided screen (13 cm of the light, it was closier with 2 bulbs, but was burning the screen, this distance is adjustable! please make some notes!)
http://i1198.photobucket.com/albums/aa443/itzrulez/b.jpg
this one up here, has 2 screen, one on the ground, one on the vertical(that receives flood)
http://i1198.photobucket.com/albums/aa443/itzrulez/a.jpg
the box of the ATS

[SantaMonica]

You really need to get a light on the other side.

[itzrulez]

this box is small, and i was with 2 25W lamps =/ but i'll try to get some weaker lights.
Now its one sided, with 25W lamp, whats the distance from the screen?
tnx!

[SantaMonica]

Better to have a smaller light on both sides, than a stronger light on one side.

3 inches away is good.

[itzrulez]

ok, i'm designing a new one for me, i want to make a pico tank, with a scrubber on the back, i'll try to make the scratches, for you critic!
tnx for everybody ;D
i'm still waiting for some circulation photos ;D

[itzrulez]

soo, here it is!
http://i1198.photobucket.com/albums/aa443/itzrulez/das.jpg